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Digital TV launch leaves some stranded

Seeded on Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:48 PM EDT
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Stations across U.S. started cutting analog signals Friday morning, the final signoff for a 60-year-old technology and likely stranding more than 1 million homes without TV service. How is the switch to digital TV going for you?

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Kycote

We switched locally back in Feb. My converter box worked just fine - until 2 weeks ago. Now, does anyone expect me to buy a new converter box every 3-4 months? NO WAY. Guess I'll learn to love the radio.

    Reply#1 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:09 PM EDT
    Matthew-1153038

    Finally... more than a decade after this was announced, the big switch! Anyone caught with snow on their old analog set today should just forget about TV and go read a book!

    • 2 votes
    Reply#2 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:18 PM EDT
    No Party Affiliation

    Totally agree! If they are too much the luddite to have gotten a converter box, cable, or satelite dish by now, then I have no compassion for them. Time to enter the 21st Century folks.

      #2.1 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:34 PM EDT
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      bluto182

      The switch is not affecting me at all except for the annoying tickers that some local channels kept running along the bottom of my screen for the past few weeks warning about it.

      I haven't used antenna television since the mid 80's when cable became available in my area. I switched to satellite about four years ago. I don't really like the idea of tax payer funding being used to supply converter boxes.

        Reply#3 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:19 PM EDT
        Dave-1154040

        No public money, really. The government sold the analog bands, which belong to all of US. The rebate on converter boxes was just a very small percentage of the profit from the sale. Besides, have you given any thought to the alternative? "Government gets rid of free TV, forces those using it (elderly, low income) to buy new receivers!" Yea, that would go over real well.

          #3.1 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:22 PM EDT
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          John-1153043

          My mother has a box for her TV and she hates the new digital signal. It is not as good as the analog and she loses stations very easily. The pictures are noticable pixaled. And she has lost several stations even with scanning.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#4 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:19 PM EDT
          Steve-540003

          Sounds like she needs to upgrade to a digital antenna.

            #4.1 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:43 PM EDT
            Magnum Serpentine

            That doesn't always help.

            One wonders just how much hype was told by the FCC to sell this to the public.

            • 1 vote
            #4.2 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:03 PM EDT
            just my opinion-955289

            I have all the same problems as John's mom, and that's even after I tried using two different digital antennas. I've asked about this at local Best Buy and Radio Shack stores, and they both suggested I probably need a roof top antenna instead of the indoor digitals I tried. But they admit even a roof top antenna might not completely correct all these problems, and they can't promise I could return it if it doesn't work. I would also have to pay someone to install a roof antenna, and they're not going to provide labor for free in case it doesn't work. I don't particularly want any more channels than I was getting before the switch, (such as those that come with "basic" cable) and I don't want to have to pay for cable just so I can get the commercial channels that have always been free - or rather, paid for by watching all the commercials.

            I would love it if someone could tell me how I can continue to get basic TV, with reliablility and with the same picture quality I had with analog, without having to pay for it every month.

              #4.3 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:10 PM EDT
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              micha-351122

              In the s.w. corner of Minnesota we have few stations to watch now... cable may still be our option for stations. I have converter and antenna and get five stations that are still analog with one station that is both. It's a joke for us. we read more and watch less and less TV.

                Reply#5 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:29 PM EDT
                JRWasko

                I have been using the digital TV signals since I bought my first HDTV over 7 years ago.  Since discovering how clear the picture was via an antenna I refused to pay for cable.  As an added bonus I get several times more channels including one that shows old movies around the clock.

                  Reply#6 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:30 PM EDT
                  TheAvonMan

                  We were aware of this switch as were many Americans about 8-10 years ago and cable companies started to lower the cost of basic cable in preparation. If you are out in the cold...or snow...you should have prepared. After all...the coupons that you got are your salvation. Either way, we have HDTV piped through the house so it's not a problem on our end.

                    Reply#7 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:34 PM EDT
                    Magnum Serpentine

                    Lower the Cost? Seems to me the cost of basic cable was jacked up by quite a bit.

                      #7.1 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:05 PM EDT
                      PatnLA

                      Well, Mr. TheAvonMan, not everyone may have the money to pay for HDTV. I live in a very strong reception area and got great reception with my old analog TV and my rabbit ears and pulled in all the major stations and many PBS stations. I saw no reason to pay for more TV stations which have commercials and are often repeated any number of times during the course of a month. I pay out enough money every month for rent and living expenses and running a car--speaking of which, with gas prices rising, that's getting expensive again. Have a little compassion. With this economy, many people just don't have the extra bucks. With all the other hassles people deal with every day and the possibility of having your job cut or having to take a pay cut hanging over many peoples' heads, it's not always possible to avail yourself of expensive digital equipment or resources. I got a converter box back last June. Cost me, with the coupon, about $35-40--that's not that cheap. I hooked it up with my old TV. Couldn't get it to work. Fortunately for me, my very generous brother sent me a 22" HDTV for Christmas last year. But, I still don't have cable and due to some unusual expenses resulting from my mother's death in April, I don't have the money to install it right now. It may take me months to be able to afford it. At the end of a long day, TV is an excape hatch for many people--a way to relax and forget about your troubles for a little while. Now, many people won't even have that.

                        #7.2 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:13 PM EDT
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                        Miss Jami

                        The switch is working quite nicely, I suppose. I won't pay for cable because when it was manifest the entire point was to 'pay' for television that had NO commercials. They 'eased' commercials in and that is now the reality...The networks effectively doubled their income by collecting from the viewing public AND the advertisers while choosing & restricting what is available to the 'subscribers'.

                        In fact, I would like to see NBC boycotted for 30 days as a response to blacking out the Detroit Red Wings Game 6.

                        Let me build a 'package' of the channels I want available to me and charge subscribers a 'flat rate' per channel....then I'll buy back in.

                        In the interim I believe I will read a book, attend to my garden, work some clay & restore some more art...I believe I will enjoy the peace over the screaming ads so popular just now that I would be being billed for.

                        Thanks ever so.

                        • 1 vote
                        Reply#8 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:43 PM EDT
                        The Donkey Lady

                        Although it has been coming for some time for my Mother it is not working. She lives on a fixed income so cable or in her case Satalite is out. We did manage to get her both a new tv and antenna but in the area in which she lives her channel reception is very poor. Most of the channels fade in and out. Even with a booster there is not one good picture. It is just a shame with the aging poorer population that something else could not be done.

                        • 4 votes
                        Reply#9 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:46 PM EDT
                        Farmgal-1101217

                        I live in the country and I'm just screwed!  Our antennae picked up analog just fine with good reception over all.  Now, we have nothing.  I'll let hell freeze over before I'll pay for TV.  Digital transmissions don't adapt well to antennae's.  I received an est. for a new tower and antennae and it came to over  $1000.00.  How sad that we took our "free and unfettered airwaves" and sold them out to the highest bidder.  For you folks in love with digital have you ever considered that the airwaves were a commodity that you owned?  The telecommunications industry made out like bandits on this one.  Does anyone else smell possible  graft and corruption within the FCC???? Advertisers take notice!, you'll lose out on this one!

                        • 7 votes
                        Reply#10 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:58 PM EDT
                        LadyHW-854489

                        yes, yes, yes and yes

                        • 2 votes
                        #10.1 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:09 PM EDT
                        Magnum Serpentine

                        I agree with you. The FCC over hyped this and sold this lie to the public.

                        • 1 vote
                        #10.2 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:09 PM EDT
                        Josevader

                        Wow, I can't believe you are still on analog.

                          #10.3 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:16 PM EDT
                          Kycote

                          RADIO, RADIO, RADIO - It might have advertising but it's still free, at least for now. I'm in agreement that I won't pay to watch commercials. Maybe the "Age of Peace" predicted by many indegineous peoples will be due to people returning to real life instead of watching fake lives.

                            #10.4 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:28 PM EDT
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                            The Farm

                            Mine seems better now than before.

                              Reply#11 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:00 PM EDT
                              bobblues

                              Can't get the gov't to send me a coupon for a box, I live in a trailer park with 100 other people, and they would only issue 2 coupons for our address, (we all have the same address except for space number) ......brainless ! So i have to pay 50 dollars ....not this week, have to feed the kids.....screw tv.

                              • 2 votes
                              Reply#12 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:05 PM EDT
                              altabello

                              We live in the country and have satellite, but you can only get it from a neighboring state. We used to get local stations thru antenna, I guess we don't get to see "our" weather forecast anymore now.

                              • 2 votes
                              Reply#13 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:12 PM EDT
                              alk0509

                              Since you obviously have access to the internet, you can see a weather forecast round the clock with the click of a mouse. They are even more detailed than TV, which has to cater to many regions. There is also the newspaper, and oh, yea, also looking outside.

                                #13.1 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:03 PM EDT
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                                What a shame-1153531

                                My 84 year old cousin lives on a farm way out in the country. She bought the converter boxes months and months ago. Her tv was working fine this morning until 10 am when our local NBC channel switched and now she got nothing. I called the 888 number and they said to hit the scan button on the remote for the box. There IS NO scan button on the remote and I wasnt going to call back and be on hold a minimum of 15 minutes again.

                                It is a darn shame that older people have to be the ones that suffer for this change. Why not leave it as it was? Shes on a fixed income, had 4-5 tvs but they are all very older models and now she has nothing to watch at all.

                                My opinion is switch it back so people can have their choice of digital or analog.

                                • 4 votes
                                Reply#14 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:12 PM EDT
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                                marycandle5

                                My converter box worked better before the switch. Every time I rescan, I lose another station. The FCC phone rang & rang and then hung up on me. Makes me really want them to be in charge of my health care. Magnavox said to rescan tomorrow. Guess I will watch paid advertising on WMAR. Should have listened to my instincts & not bothered with the change at all.

                                • 2 votes
                                Reply#15 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:17 PM EDT
                                designergirl-1156387

                                I had all of the DC and Baltimore stations, plus their extra "digital stations" with my converter box and my antenna before the switch. Now all I get is wmar or sometimes channel 4 out of DC. I live halfway between both cities and in the flight path of the airport. If a plane goes over I get nothing. If it rains, I get no reception at all. I live in an apartment and can't install a roof antenna. I have puchased an $80 amplified digital antenna and that didn't help either. I have never paid for TV - I don't see the point. Now it seems the cable companies will be profiting. Most TV shows are available online these days anyway.

                                  #15.1 - Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:03 AM EDT
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                                  Chris L.-339676

                                  people were "unprepared"? orly? I think the better word would be "stupid" or "lazy".

                                  • 1 vote
                                  Reply#16 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:18 PM EDT
                                  M.A.-1166290

                                  Well, I guess that I must be one of the "stupid" or "lazy" ones. I am on a fixed income and can't afford to replace my antenna, so that makes me one of the "unprepared" people out there.

                                  I'm so tired of people, who do have the money to replace everything, saying that anyone else is lazy or stupid not to have all the latest equipment. Let's hope that you don't ever end up in the same situation of having to chose between food, medication, utilities, or "free" tv.

                                    #16.1 - Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:41 AM EDT
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                                    J-1147250

                                    The assumption is that there are many households being left behind. I am choosing not to go along with the digital signal. My children will be better for it. We have radio, internet and the library for our information. I am not left behind, I am choosing to walk away from the box. I chalange you to join in.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    Reply#17 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:21 PM EDT
                                    florina

                                    This change from analog to digital is a blessing. I can't even pick up one station since the switch. Before, I was only watching TV for about 5 hours a week. Now I'm down to NO TV. Those commercials made me want to vomit. Especially those Geigo commercials and fast food commercials.

                                      #17.1 - Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:44 AM EDT
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                                      GJF-1153654

                                      Well, I have my HDTV, new rooftop antenna w/preamp all of which has worked well with Analog. I will let you know when I get home to see how the digital world looks. I suspect due to the rural area I live in NW NJ will be in the "digital dark". Local cable company is awful and I refuse to pay those prices for junk. Satellite may be an option if need be, but I really don't have a need for the amount of televsion we do watch to justify that additional monthly bill. Until later!

                                      • 1 vote
                                      Reply#18 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:27 PM EDT
                                      alk0509

                                      Hear, hear about the cable in that area! I'm from NW Jersey, and the cable there is horrible, no competitive pricing. They charge whatever they want and get away with it. We ended up switching to satellite.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #18.1 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:56 PM EDT
                                      GJF-1153654

                                      UPDATE from Friday's entry:

                                      Well, I spent the weekend rescanning several times and ended up with less than a full house. I even reverified antenna aiming at 123' (ENE) as the web sites suggest.

                                      By Sunday, from Sussex county NJ, I can receive the following: 2.1(CBS), 7.1,7.2,7.3(ABC), 11.1(WPIX), 13.1,13.2,13.3(PBS), 50.1 (NJN) and several Korean stations. As the transmitter is on the Empire State building, I am having a hard time understanding why I can't receive the other major stations:4.1(NBC), 5.1(FOX), 9.1(WOR). I REALLY hope the power can be increased so I can get back those that are now missing. Any ideas?

                                      On the positive side, the channels I do receive are quite outstanding with signal levels mostly in the 40-50's.

                                        #18.2 - Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:24 AM EDT
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                                        Mark, Atlanta

                                        I'm excited that this transistion has started, but while the government has pushed this along for over the air broadcasts, I'm having problems with Comcast cable. Comcast has a program "Digital to Analog" (DTA) where they will provide the first box for free for the analog TV. However in Atlanta, since they have not moved all the upper tier analog stations to their digital counterparts, the program is not in effect (although some analog stations are shut down, e.g. The History Channel that requires a digital connection).

                                        That's fine, except that Atlanta has two public television channels, and the second channel does not need to be broadcast in analog and digital. So prior to June 12, the second station was in analog only. Now the second station is digital only. Comcast Atlanta wants to charge $5.99 per month for the DTA box to receive a local station. This is contradictory to the Comcast advertisement and expectations. Comcast customer support does not know how to address it and is referring it as a technical problem. Hummm. They just need to provide the DTA box to subscribers in all the markets at no charge for the first one, otherwise it is deceptive advertisement (or is there fine print somewhere that I am missing?) If it takes two more years to finally move all the markets to DTA, then that would be $5.99 a month times 24, or $144 more to Comcast above my current charges.

                                          Reply#19 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:32 PM EDT
                                          Nevets-1105908

                                          Anyone that isn't ready for cable now is has just got to be too dumb to watch TV anyway (with the exception of the poor, elderly, and folks in the country).

                                          I believe I read that the channels vacated by the digital switch are to be used by the military for their communication needs. So the communications industry isn't really "making out like a bandit".

                                          I sympathize with you farmgirl, I grew up in Kansas on a farm and we were lucky to get the 3 channels that we got back then.

                                          For those of you that have lost channels or have difficulty receiving them it may be as simple a matter as re-aiming your antenna, hopefully you won't need to replace it with a bigger one.

                                          I've recently got rid of satellite and am working on OTA (over the air) TV. THe signals are more picky and susceptible to weather conditions it seems. I'm on my second antenna and it seems I'll need to step up to a larger one because I live in a valley about 45 miles from the transmitters.

                                          But when I get things working right the pictures are great. Much better than analog.

                                          Good luck to all of you in getting set up for this change.

                                           

                                          Remember; "Everything is unusual until you get used to it". The Scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz.

                                            Reply#20 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:32 PM EDT
                                            ward-1153709

                                            Finally the end is here..... now the stations can stop all the unnecessary news about the cut off....... without cable I am looking forward to no more repeats, reruns and strange shows that appear everyday..... Yea NO TV..... it had become a real bore so perhaps no TV will add to the quality of life... mine at least.... I shall have pity on those that cannot live without it!

                                            • 2 votes
                                            Reply#21 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:33 PM EDT
                                            RedDevPS

                                            Complete bomb in Palm Springs, Ca. I have an HD ready television on rabbit ears and before the switch, received 12 digital and 14 analog stations. Since the switch this morning, 1 digital station and 8 analog stations. Who does one complain to?

                                            • 2 votes
                                            Reply#22 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:36 PM EDT
                                            tsteven3

                                            you need to rescan

                                              #22.1 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:05 PM EDT
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                                              LULU-1153753

                                              this is not that big a deal, you will find that if you just don't TV you won't miss it as much as you think you will. And if you are so dependant on TV that you just don't know what to do with yourself now that it's switched over, you probably deserve to pay for the stupid box to have it come back on. I say go out and live your life, don't waste it in front of a talking box!

                                                Reply#23 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:39 PM EDT
                                                lareina636

                                                The switch is a pain.  I got rid of cable because I am going back to school.  I had 15 channels this morning, which was great.  But if I close my window or they are doing the grass here at my apartment complex (like now) I get zero reception. 

                                                thanks for nothing!  I can understand why the old guy shot his television.  I got so frustrated I wanted to throw the converter box and antennae out the window of my sixth floor apartment!!

                                                • 3 votes
                                                Reply#24 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:44 PM EDT
                                                Nevets-1105908

                                                For those of that are having trouble getting digital TV, another thing that I have tried is watching TV over the Internet. There are several websites (Hulu.com for one) that offer movies and TV shows, both old and new. Also, many of the network websites will replay a show the day after it first airs. Just search 'internet tv' and you'll find lots of stuff. But be careful of buying software, I've read lots of horror stories about some of the products available.

                                                Hope this helps.

                                                  Reply#25 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:46 PM EDT
                                                  LadyHW-854489

                                                  Thanks I forgot about Hulu.com

                                                    #25.1 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:05 PM EDT
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